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>> it was a setup. i think it was a setup. >> that's what i was going to ask. >> so you believe this was -- >> that was part of it. i think it's part of the marco rubio strategy. i put it in my story that i wrote. when you look at the hype that built it up and then you look at the expenses, you really have to go out of your way to make it look like a scandal. >> it's very smart. >> david rivera, the former member of congress down there who was basically chased out via scandal. is that going to be less of a hit on him because of how this credit card thing went down? >> i wouldn't presume to say...

>> it was a setup. i think it was a setup. >> that's what i was going to ask. >> so you believe this was -- >> that was part of it. i think it's part of the marco rubio strategy. i put it in my story that i wrote. when you look at the hype that built it up and then you look at the expenses, you really have to go out of your way to make it look like a scandal. >> it's very smart. >> david rivera, the former member of congress down there who was basically chased out via scandal. is that going to be less of a hit on him because of how this credit card thing went down? >> i wouldn't presume to say...