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Away interest it, from the point of view from the white house, by the way, it's not necessarily a big winner for them. it's basic reality that has to be adhered to. you're not going to necessarily win a lot of votes either for congressional democrats or for the white house simply by pointing out what happened in 2020. they have to do better and i think the focus will be on the pandemic which was a much stronger area that everybody does agree at least exists. >> yeah. president biden has said that's his top priority, key to his success of his presidency. errol and lynn, thank you both for getti...

The loopholes as we call them at the border. >> let's talk more about this. i'm going to talk with analyst juliette kayyem and also josh campbell. juliette, would it make a difference? he said meaningful background checks would perhaps be instructive. does this signal what's next. >> what does it signal i think you're trying to ask me, what does it signal. >> yes. >> it signals that there will be no background checks legislation. president trump has been told by the nra -- we certainly no mitch mcconnell has no interest it, that the background checks, national and more rigorous background chec...

Virginia? >> i asked him what he thought about jeff flake's role in all of this, i thought he might light into jeff flake a little bit but he said it's fine, this could be a blessing in disguise. he's speaking of if this process looks fair, this week long delay and if kavanaugh emerges interest it unscathed kavanaugh benefits from it and president trump by extension benefits from it. i should say, though, democrats can are saying if next friday comes around and that this fbi investigation turns up nothing what they will certainly do is turn to issues of temperament. the way that brett kavanaug...

Judgment. it appeared to color how the white house reacted. and that scandal had far-reaching effects. you can argue that it led to the skurnlss and jared kushner. so getting the chief of staff to come out and defend rob porter. interesting that we had the comment from john kelly praising hope hicks. it was one of the few times the president asked about it and one of the mistakes she made that was visible. she was compromised. as our colleague is reporting, she did interest it. the president certainly wanted hope hicks around. she came to this decision today and we're told she'll be leaving

For how worth lieutenants this investigation is, how it's a partisan witch hunt. they've done everything possible to distract and deflect interest it. clearly this next week raises the stakes very, very dramatically. it's highly unlikely the president would fire him. it was also highly unlikely he was going to fire the fbi director. >> paul, let me ask you really quickly. earlier this year when the president pardoned sheriff joe arpaio, a lot of people in washington and the country began to speculate this was a sign perhaps even a signal that the president is willing to pardon people in the mu...