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Cooperate in governing and don't want to compromise with democrats. and, so, in the end he's going to have to find the votes from somewhere. i don't see how this works out well for him. >> well -- >> erin, how long do you think this goes for? i mean, is this an interim deal that takes you through the 2016 election and then he's out of there or is this a long-term thing? what do you think? >> we'll see how he does. i think people are miscasting this a little bit saying he made all of these demands and then he caved. what he did was really a stroke of genius. he set a high bar and then he negoti...

Placeholder speaker, basically somebody to take the job from now through the 2016 election and then after the 2016 election republicans could settle on a longer term pick, all sorts of names bantied about for that. the concept of a placeholder or interim speaker, what do you think of that? >> you're right. i have to say to you it's not something i support because i think it just sort of prolongs the discussion and even the dissension and it's not necessary in my judgment. i think if in the next two or three weeks we can come up with a leader that we can all stand behind and that can pull this ...

Move our country forward because at the end of the day, it's "b" after paul ryan? about the american people and we if he says to his family, i need to get to work for the don't want to do this. i've wanted to be chairman of american people. the ways and means committee, >> so explain if by chance, mitt well, when's plan "b" after romney and paul ryan had taken that? it is unclear. the white house, and he was vice i think what you will see is president, explain how the boehner agreed to stay on as long as necessary, perms stay on speakership differs from being to get a debt limit raise and vice...

Joining us, rachel maddow. just learned we will probably have a few members of the press corps in our lobby here tonight. speaker boehner, outgoing speaker boehner is going ahead with an appearance on the "tonight show with jimmy fallon" in this very building. we're in that strange circumstance where we might get a fresh lead on this story after 11:35 tonight. >> you know, it's incredible to think that the consequence of this might be that john boehner is not allowed to quit, or that the conservatives who toppled him and toppled kevin mccarthy will not be allowed to fire him because the prospe...

The next speaker of the house of representatives. >> reporter: that would be a wild development. let's talk about that in a second but i want to ask you, have the 35, 40 conservative members, because if mccarthy was over 200, have they hijacked the conference? >> well, i have said that whoever's going to be the next speaker should not appease this group of rejectionists who have no interest in governing. they can simply not get to yes. the perfect will always be the enemy of the good to them. we just have to deal with the reality as it is. >> reporter: could the next speaker be a compromised c...