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Now some believe manning could have been the source as well. but in keeping with wikileaks' policy of protecting sources' anonymity, assange refused to say. do you deny manning is the source of the material? >> we don't know who the source of the material is. if those allegations are true, then of course the man is a hero. >> reporter: the danger is you pick so many powerful targets and you become a target yourself. so, assange lives on the road. a life that suits him, he says. his family moved constantly as a child. and he's run into trouble himself. convicted of computer hacking in australia...

But maybe craziness, but, again, talking about the man, but something here that i've been wondering about. did the national security agency think that this is never going to be revealed? was there no action plan they had that once this massive program was revealed what you're getting in the public whether they hug this guy or hate the leaker, there is a market shock to the fact that all our phone data is going in a massive bank before we were ready to say, yes, the public wasn't dealt in. wikileaks and i'm not the biggest fan of wikileaks but what they have in common is they're reacting to the...