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We don't know what goes on in the royal family. we don't have an ambassador in riyadh. we intercept calls between saudi arabia and jamal saying come home, trying to lure him home. it's really the turkish tapes that are going to tell us what really happened. did they set upon him and beat him to death on purpose? frankly, i have a hard time believing that you would send a rendition team of 15 people, two airplanes and then interrogate him in the consulate. very well you could have brought him hole and done it there. that doesn't make sense. >> let me ask you about that. 15 saudi men including a...

Him in the consulate. very well you could have brought him hole and done it there. that doesn't make sense. >> let me ask you about that. 15 saudi men including a forensic expert, arrive in istanbul the day he is missing. they brought a bone saw. if they wanted to interrogate him, why would they need a bone saw and interrogation expert? >> they looked to kill him and this is a message to the saudi people. we can get you anywhere if you open your mouth, we'll kill you. we don't care if you work for"t. nobody is immune. if we don't go after the saudis now they will get journalists in washington ...

>> senator, it was a new subject for me. we, as i said, we lacked interrogation expertise at the agency. we didn't have interrogators. i was told that interrogation expert his designed the program, that the highest legal authority in the united states had approved it, and that the president of the united states had approved it as well as a trusted leadership at the central intelligence agency. >> have your views of the program evolved in the years following the attacks on our country on 9/11? >> senator, they have. i think it's very important. i think for any leader, as you go through a career...

Permanent damage or violating the rules, we did it. >> and there was medical personnel in the room. >> there was always medical personnel. there were medical personnel, there were psychologists that were independent of the interrogation there. there were language experts although he spoke english pretty well. there were language experts. there were subject matter experts. and there were the people who had the command and control. there was also a traditional interrogation expert that, you know, traditional law enforcement expert. >> need a quick answer and we're going to go to break. we're goi...

Permanent damage or violating the rules, we did it. >> and there was medical personnel in the room. >> there was always medical personnel. there were medical personnel, there were psychologists that were independent of the interrogation there. there were language experts although he spoke english pretty well. there were language experts. there were subject matter experts. and there were the people who had the command and control. there was also a traditional interrogation expert that, you know, traditional law enforcement expert. >> need a quick answer and we're going to go to break. we're goi...