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More abundant civil rights division. that is a division that has record numbers of cases, protected record numbers of people. i would take issue with regard to how we have conducted the war on terror with regard to interrogation policy. there were changes made by this administration. a repudiation or opinions that existed when we came into office. so we're talking about, i think, changes that were consistent with, as i set what the president campaigned on and what we a talked about early on. >> there has been some concern with lack of transparency about the drone program. is there more transpa...

Or the joint -- he doesn't speak to anybody while ambassador and others are killed in libya. disengaged, where was he? what was he doing? why didn't he pursue this? this is a serious event. lastly, i won't go over it is what happens afterwards. obvious deception of what was the origin of the attack? video, which is made up story. as you showed in the tape earlier, the president was still implying viable story. two weeks after everyone knew it was a terror attack. >> chuck's point,teams say okay. we are where we are. we are trying to fix it. arb says we are going to fix these things. move on. s...

>> right. >> sean: would that be fair, as long as there was nobody on video that -- i mean, we saw the trade centers get hit, we saw the trade centers fall, we saw america under attack on september 11, 2001. why can't we get the videos? >> the president said they were releasing everything real time as we got t. we know that wasn't the caiss. each time more information comes out, all it does is call further into question, the actions of the president and the secretary of state and the secretary of defense, calls into question what they were doing while this attack was underway. the other issue ...

There is no bin laden without the intelligence you got using these methods, correct? >> that is correct. since then, of course, when he first came into the presidency, he closed down our back sites and stopped the interrogation program. we basically don't have an interrogation policy now. >> sean: so those interrogations led to the nickname of the can you remember yes, sir, over a period of years, you find his real name. he leads you bin laden and decision, president has no decision. this is very important. so this seal team six, i watched the whole hour on 60 minutes, very impressive. he want...

Community very well. the idea that obama is responsible for the state of the war on terror, he inherited al qaeda. the operation that got bin laden, which we are hearing a lot about now, it was made possible by the intelligence gathered from the cia interrogation program that he shut down. when obama had the chance to interrogate a guy trying to blow up a plane in detroit, he is using the intelligence that he inherited from the bush administration. one thing he gets credit for is because with the exception of interrogation, he has adopted the counter interrogation policy inherited from the up ...