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Information that was integral in finding bin laden. is that the case? >> not to my knowledge. and quote -- they say a closer look says the harsh techniques played a small role, at most, in identifying the trusted courier. two of the waterboarded lied to their interrogators about the identity. apparently the name was given up much later under standard interrogation practices. even panetta's claim doesn't make much sense. listen to what john mccain had to say. irges so far i know of no information that was obtained which would have been useful by, quote, enhanced interrogation. >> so what's go...

Intelligence or the foundational piece of evidence, that initial thread came in 2003 from the cia's interrogation program, this was the controversial program with the black sites overseas. several administration officials, as well as top democrats on the intelligence committee are insisting that water boarding was not involved. >> what i said was to the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices. >> reporter: they have the attention of u.s. officials -- the other thing that has the attention of u.s. officials is what is emerging as a pa...

John boehner today said the u.s. should use the moment to build ties with pakistan and not back away. but the speaker did say the u.s. should have an eyeball to eyeball conversation with the pakistanis about their role in fighting terrorism. bret? >> bret: mike emanuel live on the north lawn. thank you. we're continuing to follow the timeline of intelligence that eventually led to sunday's strike on the bin laden cop pound. -- compound. national correspondent catherine herridge tells all what she has learned so far. >> reporter: they describe the mosaic of intelligence of bin laden as pakistan...

>> joan walsh, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. now, we have been talking throughout the show about the pivot points we have reached as a result of bin laden's death. one of the biggest questions is whether torture did or did not work in this situation and what that means going forward. democratic senator dianne feinstein, chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee, says got the necessary leads to find bin laden without resorting to torture. >> to the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices. >> none o...

Asked permission to do the c.i.a. interrogators to go ahead and use enhanced interrogation practices and the judge says that's too much. >> yeah. gary is exactly right. these folks are warriors. they're prisoners of war. we should just treat them as such and we can release them when we say the war is over. obama is going to get more americans killed if he keeps doing this nonsense. if they had a practice that worked, it would be fine but they're really amateurs. gary is exactly right. >> al-qaida recruiters, people that go out and identify these people to conduct these operations are as danger...