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And neither would ksm. the only thing standing between another catastrophic attack from some senior person is whether or not that person is willing to voluntarily provide that information to us. so you feel that because america no longer uses enhanced interrogation techniques, that it's a less safe place? they no longer even can use law enforcement techniques. the local mall cop has more choices as to what kinds of interrogation techniques to use than the cia interrogator. so america is less safe, in your view, as a result? it is less safe as... notjust this, but a lot of things have happened ...

I travel around quite a bit in the us, and i have not personally ran into one single person who was critical of me. i've run into people who disagree about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, who said, i prefer if it didn't happen, but i can understand that you did it to try to stop this next attack. but the vast majority of people i run into are grateful that somebody was willing to do what must be done to protect them. james mitchell, thank you very much for coming on hardtalk. thank you. hello. there's a weather system bringing cloud across the uk. initially most of the rain will ...

Such as waterboarding, slapping a terror suspect around the face, putting them in a small, confined space, that kind of thing. well, i'd seen those techniques used for at least 11 years in my military career, and i knew that it didn't result in permanent harm, you know, either mentally or physically, and i'd been trained to apply them myself. in addition to that, i'd experienced all of them. so, to me, it didn't seem like as big a jump as it might be to someone who you just stopped on the street and asked them to do that. would you grit your teeth when you had to do these? i found them difficu...

Be willing to get involved in the interrogation programme, really was the falling man and the people jumping off the building. i thought it was inappropriate and wrong for them to have to choose which way they died as a result of this cowardly attack that was done by these islamists who were trying to destroy our way of life. so you, obviously using your experience as a clinical psychologist working with the american military for many years, could help identify, recommend techniques that would work as part of the enhanced interrogation program. but how would you make the leap from that to actu...

But still, how do you feel? ifeel like it was my duty, you know? my preference was, all along, my preference was to simply ask the question and get the answer. and, in fact, we started that way. anyone who is familiar with the way it was done knows we would... every time, we would start with a neutral assessment of whether or not the person was going to talk, and then, in those cases where they would use the eits, and then as soon as it was over, we told them what we were going to ask them about the next time, and then the next time we started with a neutral assessment. so as soon as the perso...