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Bulletin, everybody got an exclusive today with this guy. but yeah, there he is, unavoidable for comment. living off the millions of dollar, the tens of million of dollars the taxpayers paid him for services developing this program and he's all over the media today take making the case that when you're waterboarding people it's an interrogation tool. why would you deny yourself a useful tool? the issue of whether or not torturing people on purpose is the policy of the u.s. government is not a question that was settled in the past. it's still an open question. i mean, the people who executed th...

Have every interrogation tool available to them so that we can win the war on terror. >> one more thing. congresswoman, one more. you say the aclu is taking over the cia, it's run now by general david petraeus. >> their philosophy. their philosophy. i agree -- >> i understand what you're saying. let me just make the point. your view that waterboarding should be reinstituted, you underand that puts you at odds with most of the generals, okay, the former republican nominee of your party john mccain, general colin powell, you realize you're on the opposite end of whathey believe. do you not trust...

Guantanamo bay and others, as well. but we don't have a place to put al qaeda when we pick them up. it's either catch and release. which is a terrible idea. or we have to kill them. what we need to win this war on terror is interrogation. this is where my comment about the aclu comes in. because today, the cia is no longer able to go through the interrogation that yielded such profitable information that saved american lives. that's what i'm interested in. >> but you realize -- >> saving american lives and winning the war on terror. >> you say that -- >> this is say real difference. the only t...