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Can decide that it's in the best interest of the nation or something and do something illegal? >> well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal. >> rudy giuliani was making a lot of arguments that was like, he could do this, he could do this, he could do this. >> yeah. >> public opinion and congress would stop him, but -- what did you make of this? >> well, i -- i found his -- rudy giuliani's interview kind of delightfully loosy goosy, kind of all over the place. >> i thought it that way, too. >> but sometimes i wonder is this strategy or is it a certain sign of chaos, and...

These conversations that james comey had with the president. i want to get your overall reaction to what you just listened to in the last hour. >> so i -- i -- i mean, it's obviously a pretty dramatic thing to see the -- to see that interview kind of -- and the memos sort of unfold through the lens of that interview. look, the really striking thing is that these memos say the same thing as the book, and that the book says the same thing as his testimony. and, you know, as rachel just said, you know, when you're looking for indicia of credibility consistency over time is one of the key ones. an...

We have a lot to talk about what you just covered. >> thanks, my dear. >> joining our discus. benjamin wittes, matt miller, and david frum. benjamin, you know james comey, you're a friend of james comey, you were one of the first people to be aware of even the existence of these memos and these conversations that james comey had with the president. i want to get your overall reaction to what you just listened to in the last hour. >> so i -- i -- i mean, it's obviously a pretty dramatic thing to see the -- to see that interview kind of -- and the memos sort of unfold through the lens of that in...

Kilmeade, 50.48. varney 47.91. you have lost. >> that's not true. >>brian: i am the winner. thank you very much. blame the republicans for stuart's loss. i would like to thank everybody that make that possible. but i should have given you five points because you started your interview kind of interesting saying "what kind of football do you play?" i realize i had an advantage built in. >> emmitt smith is the all-time rushing champion. i asked him what does a rusher do? grab the ball and run like the devil to the far end? and i was right. >>steve: you didn't say, so you're a russian? rematch. >...

Bit of everything. first of all, he has to deal with the president of the other party. i think there will be some cooperation and he also has to deal with a lot of these new tea party members in his own party. he will have to show that he's tough, but he also has to be able to deal with the senate and the president. i think he will do fine today, i think he's a very decent guy, but i think that, and i don't know whether you'll see any tears, but if you do, that's okay, that's all right. he's come a long way. >> a lot of people who didn't know who he was who are outside the beltway, susan, when...