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>> actually, it's you think so, ho? [ laughter ] >> are you kidding me with this? okay, your hand is perfect but it's more -- >> are you kidding me with this? ho. ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ [ laughter ] >> so, cher aside, when it came to playing jack and that role, who was really groundbreaking in terms of i don't know that the country had ever really seen an lgbt character like that. did you feel any sense of responsibility? >> it was interesting. this is a nine-hour interview question, but i did. i was conflicted at that time.

Antagonistic to him and the subsequent guests made fun of him. hats off to donald trump, that was not friendly territory for him. >> he goes into the enemy territory, which is interesting. how much would you love to have hillary clinton come on this network and ask her some questions? >> well, no one realized. >> a lot of republicans do, too. they'll go on msnbc and they'll take fire from their hosts, sometimes cheap shots, but they'll go back, you don't see that. show some intestinal fortitude and show up. >> they go on all of them, cnn, nbc, i'm saying the gop, they go, they're like hey we'l...

At all costs for sure but people that commit these crimes, there should be -- justice can't be denied and it shouldn't be delayed and maybe there's a better try do this where victims feel as though they're being served because that should be front and center of the first obligation of the states. >> let me -- one quick follow-up on abortion. what exceptions are you comfortable with on abortion? >> just as it relates to -- my views haven't changed. i believe in exceptions of rape and insist and the life of the mother, of course. >> is there a line on health? what is that line on life and health...

Should be -- justice can't be denied and it shouldn't be delayed and maybe there's a better try do this where victims feel as though they're being served because that should be front and center of the first obligation of the states. >> let me -- one quick follow-up on abortion. what exceptions are you comfortable with on abortion? >> just as it relates to -- my views haven't changed. i believe in exceptions of rape and insist and the life of the mother, of course. >> is there a line on health? what is that line on life and health of the mother? >> well, life of the mother, not health of the mo...

Sometimes you can see both sides and i believe life is truly a gift from god and innocent life particularly should be protected at all costs for sure but people that commit these crimes, there should be -- justice can't be denied and it shouldn't be delayed and maybe there's a better try do this where victims feel as though they're being served because that should be front and center of the first obligation of the states. >> let me -- one quick follow-up on abortion. what exceptions are you comfortable with on abortion? >> just as it relates to -- my views haven't changed. i believe in excepti...