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>> they laid that out. reading it as nonlawyer it's striking. one of the risks of flight here is likelihood of git, which seemed brutal but i guess it's technical term in this case. on the issue that this might be -- sticking with taxes issue. prospect there might be superseding indictment. if they're not charging tax evasion now, is it a typical way to approach it with first indictment, expecting a second, you might lay out narrative of what kind of -- what those charges might be, describe something that sounds like tax evasion without charging it, basically to let the defense know, the defen...

Intimidate him. >> if this is at least trump was trying to intimidate jim comey, what does that mean for robert mueller and his investigation? >> it backfired because, remember, it was this tweet about the potential for tapes that led jim comey, at least by his testimony to then be worried about trump trying to intimidate witnesses that then led to the appointment of a special prosecutor. even as an intimidation factor, it backfired on trump. mueller is a to fisophisticated prosecutor. they know why witnesses do this. he is the president of the united states. the rest of the world is looking a...

That is a real country. >> exactly. and you can't fire prosecutors your way to exoneration, you can't do that. >> we have institutions in this country, which we saw represented today by the court decision by the ninth circuit blocking. the immigration ban yet once again. >> that shows independent. >> we have institutions that are braced for situation that seem unacceptable. i think firing the special counsel within his presidential power will be seen as an affront to the legal system. >> well, the intimidation factors of everything he's pulled as an intimidation factor. by the way, i've got ta...

In the polls coming up. i think members of congress are at the remaining strength, where his floor is in all this. it makes a difference if it is 40s or 30s as far as intimidation factor, going against the president. the stronger he is, the more difficult that is for members. >> and anita, i'll sorry. my producer was in my ear for a second. i didn't realize you stopped talking. do democrats understand how to capitalize on this or are they going to fall into the same trap during election, which was criticize trump say, that he's a horrible person, he is not fit to be president, are they going t...

Back to president trump's tweet and jonathan's point. if we could put that back up about the intimidation factor of losing federal funds on the campus of uc berkeley. is this the way that we're going? we see people trying to exercise free speech. other people try to thwart free speech. the president threatens federal funding if free speech isn't accessed to that campus. jonathan, you first. >> he's just stirring the pot. there are several things wrong. not surprisingly, with what the president is saying in this situation. the tweet suggests that the administration at berkeley is somehow respon...