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Interesting, very symbolic of the times. we can think about our leading men today they don't carry themselves that way and it's interesting. >> it is hard to remember that for several years he was the most successful movie star in america. i mean he and robert redford for a time were the two giants on the stage. >> bing cosby in the '40s. nobody was a top box office draw for five years. >> i didn't know that. shifting topics quickly. jonathan, you and i are the doubting thomas' of red sox nation. it's predicted the red sox are going to be swept by the yankees. they swept instead. a week ago we...

Erica. that's what i think is what he is signaling and certainly the legal team stop sharing information with the trump organization legal team and so they're not going to know what is happening as far as michael cohen's concerned. the question that i think a lot of have is, you know, who is michael cohen really talking to with these interviews, with these public statements he is making? is he really talking to prosecutors? because, you know, his lawyers pick up the phone saying i'm ready to make a deal and another audience is in the white house and makes it so much more interesting. >> in ter...

You saw it on their faces. >> their face, oh my goodness. >> they couldn't pretend while it was happening this was a good thing, in fact, rupert murdock obviously called the control room and said end this before we end the presidency on fox news, as you know, we know this business. if you had the president on right now and your director thought, we're still going to the commercial. someone would tell him, we're not going to the commercial. literally the presidents of networks would get involved on the phone saying, no, no, no, keep this going. >> absolutely. >> so to shut down the president re...

One country, two narratives about president trump and russia. that's where we are. and a lot of news consumers are stuck in the middle of that. so let's talk about it with julia ioffe, staff writer request "the atlantic." she wrote a recent cover story for the magazine entitled "what putin really wants." chris ruddy, a trump confidant just said, there's no evidence. he said, show me the evidence of collusion. is there any? >> yeah, show me the evidence in 30 seconds while i constantly interrupt you, right? >> that's okay. >> i think that, you know, there's no crime called collusion. there's a ...

President succeed. he had concerns vocally during the campaign, but if he were to run for office, he would work with the president when he can and speak out when he had a disagreement. >> if he were to run for office again, would he skip 2018 and go to 2020? >> i don't think he's running for president again. any opportunity in public service could come somewhere else in a different office. >> i can already predict the tweets that are blowing up my phone saying, how can you talk about this? it is so speculative, we don't know what orrin hatch is going to do. i know i can do math, when do you th...