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An anti-establishment insurgency, gotten into office, then kind of conformed somewhat to the norms of washington. they're seeing trump hasn't done that and i think it's alarming a lot of people. >> to the tillerson point about the stakes here, to give people context in case they hadn't seen this quote, "forbes" asked about the moron comment, i think it's fake news but if he did that i guess iq tests can tell you who is going to win. which the white house later said was a joke. he said he didn't undercut anyone. that's to me is the thing that it's easy to lose sight of the stakes here and the r...

Trumpian self-contradictory answer that he gave to the moron question. at first the trump position is he says he didn't. by the way, he says he didn't. and then the president goes on to say, but if he did. that's how confident the president is that rex tillerson did not call him a moron. he is so confident that rex tillerson did not call him a moron that he immediately entertained the possibility that rex tillerson did call him a moron. and he entertains that possibility to the point that he come once a plan to prove that rex tillerson is wrong and that donald trump is not a moron. he says if ...

The moron comment, i think it's fake news but if he did that i guess iq tests can tell you who is going to win. which the white house later said was a joke. he said he didn't undercut anyone. that's to me is the thing that it's easy to lose sight of the stakes here and the reason corker's speaking out is you heard what gabe sherman said. ultimately he's threatening north korea over twitter. he's about to decertify the iran deal. you've got two massively high-stakes nuclear issues on the table. the president is treating the way that he treated running against ted cruz in the primary. >> right. ...

Tillerson called him a, quote, moron. "i think it's fake news," the president told "forbes," "but if he did that, i guess we'll have to compare iq tests. and i can tell you who is going to win." the president was asked today if he was undercutting his own secretary of state. >> no, i didn't undercut anybody. i don't believe in undercutting people. thank you very much, everybody. >> do you still have confidence in secretary tillerson, sir? >> yes. >> reporter: but the new comments come after the president said he'd like tillerson to be, quote, a little bit tougher. why would the president want ...

Need his leadership. he's a senior member of the republican caucus in the senate. seen as someone who can whip votes. the president loses his leadership, it'll be that much harder to pass any legislation. >> phil mud, the president also rekindling this controversy with secretary of state rex tillerson after reports that tillerson over the summer privately referred to the president as a moron. in an interview published today the president said this, i think it's fake news, but if he did that, i guess we'll have to compare iq tests, and i can tell you when is is going to win. your reaction? >> t...