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Branch, to use barr as a human shield, two, more than just a shield from incoming, willingness to weaponize u.s. foreign relations to do political damage to his political opponents. they are attempting to extortopponents. >> they are attempting to extort foreign leaders to give dope on their political opponents, to leverage that relationship. because do me a favor has a meaning. there is a quid pro quo with that line right there. and it didn't have to say the exact words. that is the favor. this pressure on the australians, there are a whole variety of trade negotiations, et cetera, this is ...

Out of congress for that, i think that's where it goes too far. but i don't see a problem in having an enforcement mechanism in place for really inappropriate behavior. >> john. >> what al franken did was never okay, what harvey weinstein did was never okay. what bill clinton did wasn't okay. bill clinton's a rapist. >> and john, would you include the president in there as well? >> i certainly think he uses language like he's on a loading dock. absolutely, all the time. so did george h.w. bush. >> he detailed specific accusations. he doesn't just talk like he's on a loading dock. >> we had a w...