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First four years. what explains the primacy of that in memory, even as it was buried in the news as we went through it? >> well, go back to the democratic primaries of 2008. what was the biggest issue? barack obama probably became the nominee largely because he was against the war at the beginning. hillary clinton was for it. so people obviously noticed the absence of that. but even more than that, i'm sure you're wiser than i was. but four years ago i could not imagine that anyone who was president could not only have gotten us completely out of this war, but also do so without that governmen...

Government in iraq collapsing, and more so, without an angry domestic backlash against whatever president did that as somehow soft on terrorism. one way barack obama did this is by not going and saying i deserve all sorts of credit. he did it rather quietly, but very competently. >> miking beschloss, nbc presidential historian, you have been deeply, deeply in demand today. and i know we had to fight for your time. thank you. >> my pleasure as always, thank you. the day in fashion is coming up, yeah, because i'm your fashion correspondent with a lot of credibility. some of it worked out great...