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I think that is good for america. frankly three out of four americans according to the "gallup poll" think washington is corrupt. i think in that setting they want somebody who will shake it up. certainly both cruz and trump represent kind of the shake it up wing of the party. martha: there are some people who are, you know, who say they would rather see trump than cruz. they're both outsiders. they are not the establishment candidates that you talked of. who would you rather see in the final spot between cruz and trump? >> i work very hard not to pick a final choice. i, cruz is very, very sma...

This unscathed. >> of course people are shaking their reds. rosemary. this story, created worldwide headlines. people new to futbol and watch the game say this is crazy in any other crisis like this, you would see the chief executive front and center. we haven't seen one public appearance since this broke yesterday morning. b, one of two of things. either in it. corrupt as the rest of them. or incredibly naive incompetent. he deidn't spot this. in charge as fifa president. been in the organization since the 70s. 40 years. so, he is either -- got no clue what is going on. in which case why do y...

Investigation. i'm looking forward to steg what what -- to see additional information they turn out. i think we will see a lot of stuff in court in the united states. i think it will be an incredibly interesting show. i expect quite a few of the people arrested and questioned over the last few days to do some deals. which result in us finding out an awful lot more about an awful large number of people in the futbol world. >> you say that with a little bit of a grin. is part of this. always, for a long time been the suspicion that fifa is corrupt. this allegation of belief it is run more like a...

And a lot of discussion about that and a lot of talk about home ownership isn't for everybody. well, what do you mean by everybody? like, the majority of whites, 70% are homeowners, 40% of blacks and latinos are homeowners. we need to strengthen home ownership to make a society where everybody can participate in the middle class. >> here's the thing. 100 million people watch the super bowl. people were watching that. here, america, it was like one of these amazing injections into the bloodstream, right? here, america, is every little, like, right wing conspiracy theory people have been chasing...

"up" "msnbc, steve kornacki. welcome. good to have you. so talk to us about dawn zimmer and your interview with her. i just -- we just finally played the part of the radio interview i was talking about because i think what is so interesting is what she revealed to you from her diary and what she revealed on the radio recently before these revelations came up. she was sort of torn as to whether or not to believe that there might have been retribution about the endorsement and doesn't remember something she wrote in her diary months ago to cause her to get tears in her eyes and think chris chris...