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Um, um, the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go! no, not -- >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. no sir. we were talking about the, um, agencies of government -- the epa needs to be rebuilt, no doubt about that. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government. i would do away with education, the, um -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see, i can't. the third one, i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> well, that's a heck of an oops there, mr. schrum, and i don't expect you to be generous in your critique, but this is going down in the rule books. this is...

Tell us what happened last night, and is it the end of rick perry's campaign? >> well, governor perry was having a decent debate, not a great one, he was a little bit left out of the mix as he's been in some of the previous contests, and when it got to a point where he was trying to drill his message about limited government, he's got this litany of three departments he'd eliminate. and for whatever reason he could not remember the department of energy -- energy is like -- >> also how he handled it. we're going to play this clip, mark. and then on the page this morning, you have quotes from ac...

Around the world. >> it's three agents of government that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the 30 one there? let's see. >> five. >> oh, five. commerce, education, and the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go. no. >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. we were talking about the agencies of government. epa needs to be rebuild. >> you can't name the third one? >> i would do away with education, the commerce, and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> it was painful, wasn't it. a brain freeze of epic proportions. we haven't seen anything tha...

>> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone, commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see... oh, five. >> commerce, education and... the... >> epa? >> epa, there you go. no. >> seriously! >> is epa the one you are talking about? >> no, sir. no, sir. we were talking about the agencies of government -- epa needs to be rebuilt. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with, the education... commerce... and let's see... i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. governor rick perry trying to turn the s...