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It could very well lead to the white house. maybe it doesn't. but it creates a perception of guilt, the longer you let this go. martha: as we were sayingings, you get out in front of it say i had nothing to do with it, none of my people had nothing to do with it or you don't. >> their strategy, quickly, martha, keep the president away, white house away, irs is irs, benghazi old news and ap is the justice department. president is doing sergeantly what monica said, keeping it away, denying, denying. martha: we'll see. thanks so much, great window in these situations. thank you. >> thank you. bil...

So obsessed with impeachment that our slogan of progress, not partisanship worked. with bob dole having said the republican party needs to be closed for repairs, i would caution unless the republicans advocate and articulate a positive agenda, whether conservative or centrist, they run the risk of the same thing happening. martha: but here's the trick. as you were saying president obama has presented himself in many ways as a different kind of president, different kind of politician. but the opposite what we're saying to acknowledge it all. to say, i really want to know what happened at the ir...

All he wanted to do is teach kids about politics. instead he endured a bureaucratic nightmare in the hands of the irs. the president of one conservative group is now suing the irs and his attorney will join us live with their story. martha: a big story today, the house is now investigating attorney general eric holder for possible perjury. the questions that republicans want mr. holder to answer by june 5 is their deadline. one. lawmakers who is heading that investigation is here in "america's newsroom", coming up after this.

>> that march 14th letter to the irs said, what is going on? this doesn't make any sense to us because we're hearing from tea party folks all around the state of ohio they're getting these onerous questionnaires, the george, mentioned question about praying. we didn't get that in ohio but we got a lot of questions that were inappropriate. martha: where is this going? rogue agents at the irs cincinnati office were originally blamed for singling out conservative groups. but documents later surged knowledge of the policy were far more widespread in the agency. a lot of questions there. bill: a bi...

Than the democrats, but monica's right about one thing, let's be very clear. the bill clinton said the single biggest mistake he made in his presidency appointing a special prosecutor to look at white water. president obama will do everything he can to resist special prosecutors in multiple and several investigations. martha: before you both go, in both cases what ended up happening in some of these issues it led to people who were close to them or people who they knew or things they didn't admit to knowing initially. do you think that the white house is connected or nose more about the irs sc...