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In. but it appears this may be moving toward some sort of conclusion. and as you say, we now have one san bernardino county sheriff's deputy killed in the shootout this afternoon with the man believed to be dorner. another one wounded, in surgery but expected to survive. we now have two police officers, one riverside police officer, one san bernardino county deputy who have been killed. as you said, two others killed as well. >> do we have a sense right now the order of how many police officers and personnel carriers and weaponry are now around this cabin in the hills? >> well, we can't see be...

>> discharge was untruthfulness. it was found that in the course of the investigation of his original allegations that he had been untruthful and the board of rights based on their examination determined that he should be discharged. i discharged him as chief of police. he subsequently appealed to the court system in california and lost in the court system. so there was a review by the california court system of the actions of the los angeles police department. and they were upheld. >> what does a person like this in a stressful situation like that guilty or innocent or whatever degree of guil...

The presence here at the hospital. obviously a large presence of sheriffs deputies. is no one being allowed in the area? >> as far as the hospital is concerned? yes, there's a large presence of law enforcement. law enforcement is a very close knit family. all law enforcement agencies is a brotherhood. so this is a very difficult day, again, for law enforcement. [ inaudible question ] >> yes. >> lapd is offering you how they play in this? >> we have been offered help from all surrounding law enforcement. law enforcement is one big family. they take care of each other. lapd is here, of course. t...

To the cabin if there was no phone in it. and give him the capability of two-way conversation. but the only person on the other end of the line would be a law enforcement negotiator. he wouldn't have the ability to call out and talk to anyone else. if he refuses it, that's his choice. when we see this situation resolved, if it's not already resolved, this will be resolved as christopher dorner wanted to do it. if he wants to come out and wants to have a say, law enforcement will let him do it. if he wants to go out in a blaze of glory and feel that he will be martyred by this, law enforcement ...

As described by one of the profilers. it just stews and builds up in him. and his grievances in his mind whether my own mind or anybody eels's, they are his grievances and he has them against the lapd. insurgence of racism, which i take personal offense to that. i spent my whole life in policing addressing that issue. the lapd of 2013 is not the lapd of the '80s and '90s, or '70s. and his mind-set, obviously this individual has many problems, but the lapd today is a very different operation. the captain that basically was in charge of his board of rights, there was just an article written abou...