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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

trial. so it just creates side issues for the prosecutors that they shouldn't have to deal with. so i don't love that. but to the extent it caused open back to think twice about bringing charges and may be reconsidering charges, then maybe it will have served a purpose. agitating for bringing the former president to justice. >> and barb, island weisselberg was called to testify against trump when his -- will cooperate now? >> i don't, know it's worth trying but i don't know that he will. he had a chance certainly to do that before in the case involving the tax fraud. and allen weisselberg to testify against the trump organization. but what he said at the time was he did not have any incriminating information about donald trump. maybe he, did maybe he didn't, maybe was just being loyal to his boss. but i suppose to the extent he is facing additional present time, that could be a more

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

of either perjury or in the case of weisselberg tax fraud is what you're going to get as the witnesses against the person. and i think the evidence has been pretty strong and pretty credible. it's hard to believe that story daniels seems more credible than trump. but that's how it appears to me. thank >> speaking of the issue of credibility, barb, what do you make of pomerantz writing this book now? and also what do you make of the timing of its release? >> somebody came up through the justice department as i did, writing a book about a pending investigation is very poor form. and i think it threatens to undermine the case itself when you reveal what is going on behind the scenes and even some of the evidence. it can make it more difficult for prosecutors to bring that case and it can give a heads up to the defense. i can imagine that there will be issues from the book that will even be raised at the

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

office last year after his investigation into trump was shelved. however, nbc has learned that the district attorney is reopening the case but the focus on trump's 2016 payout to stormy daniels. the new york times reports the da's office is putting pressure on former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg. they're trump threatening to file more charges to weisselberg if he doesn't slip on his ex boss. joining me now legal analyst barbara mcquade and also jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor and former watergate prosecutor. they're both co-hosts of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. i'm so thrilled to have you all both on at the same time. well thank you for joining me. i want to start with you. pomrenze says manhattan prosecutors nicknamed the hush money investigation, quote, the zombie case. why do you think the da's

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

happens in the life of donald trump as michael cohen can tell everybody who still works there. >> that's the really confusing thing about it so i think there's still a lot we don't know and jonathan is right we should have our expectations on a measured level and then we will see the details tomorrow but i think to your point allen weisselberg has been there for 50 years and so he knows everything. it's clear that if they had evidence in which they do they would use that to get him to flip but maybe he's like, look, i'm safe. donald trump has my back. he hasn't had this whole time. i would just like to introduce him to michael cohen and others who have gone to prison protecting donald trump and now say that that was a mistake. and so i think island weisselberg is sleeping okay tonight and it's a good thing we don't have to wake up to a tweet. i >> thought about that today

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20210521:07:55:00

officer of the trump organization for nearly 20 years when donald trump was elected president, his lawyer actually said, quote, trump had relinquish leadership and management of the organization to his sons don and eric, and longtime trump executive, allen weisselberg. island weisselberg is a very internal part of donald trump's business, two days after the new york state attorney general, laetitia james announce that there was a criminal investigation into the trump organization, nbc news confirmed that her office also is conducting a criminal investigation into alan walls of burgers taxes. during your time reporting that investigators have -- that mr. trump gave him including cars and tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition for at least one of mr. weisselberg's grandchildren. this development is bad for

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20210521:07:57:00

business and buy all the count, trump paid off people with gratuities and were misreported, all of that goes through him. he would've signed paper after paper. this is maximum pressure on a 73 year man who is primarily liable to donald trump. but as you've mentioned to fred. the big point here is it all roads to the highest level of the trump organization. trump himself, but also the children. all of them lead through weisselberg. from there, they stand out and you can go in different directions. but you need to secure his cooperation in order to you dispense with any defense -- we had no idea was just the accountant, he is the guy, more or less the only guy that says, as mark cohen says before, trump knew exactly what was

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20210521:07:56:00

allen weisselberg but it might be even worse for donald trump as the times report, to assistant attorneys general from mrs. james office have joined the district attorney's team, which has been seeking to turn mr. weisselberg into a cooperative witness against mr. trump and the trump organization. he is now the host and creator of talking beds, a podcast, and he joins me now by telephone. so, harry, break this down for us. allen weisselberg, that is the money man. what can he do in terms of making things very difficult for donald trump, personally, but also for the trump organization which is also now under criminal investigation? >> right, he is the money man but you can also think of him as the accountant. in other words all the funny

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