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Hours. so you can take any set of facts, move them all around but until you get the information from the flight datas, we're really in the dark. >> the fact that this plane hit turbulence so quickly after taking off, some 36 minutes or so after taking off, is that information that you would have thought they might have had previous -- prior to taking off? >> well each airline has its own department you know that studies weather, that routes aircraft dispatches them and i think, as we've reported throughout the day, the weather along this line is very dynamic. it changes constantly. and the pil...

Absolutely grim-faced. no real show of emotion as authorities here take them through what they're doing. we had the vice president here who has been leading the whole search effort and he's the point person for the president, and he was saying, he was talking to the families yesterday. and he's saying i understand your impatience. i understand this is only human. you need to know what's going on. we're doing everything we can, emphasizing, underlying that point they're doing everything they can, as the search continues to widen, it continues to deepen with the number of new countries now joini...

Difficult and it doesn't always go as you expect. >> there's also the question of how much information -- i mean do you give each little piece of information to a family member. smoke is spotted on an island according to a helicopter crew who sees it is reporting to local media, is that information that you immediately give to the families or do you wait to verify it? >> there are very few incidents where you don't have the plane, where you're spending days searching for them. they crash on land and you've got the wreckage. but there aren't that many where you don't have the plane and you're i...

Does raise the question if the water is so shallow, you would think those elts, the emergency locator transmitters would be very easy to hear. >> the elts don't work underwater. it's the underwater locators on the flight recorders, those are the ones that work by definition under water. the elts don't work underwater. they're created for crashes on land. what i find very interesting, listening to andrew stevens and what's happening there the families and what's happening happening at surabaya you're watching the incident in realtime. and this is what's different. they're looking for informatio...

Regulation that requires it. that's where it should begin. if they don't do that, there's issues for the airlines as to what they can write off on their taxes. it sounds simple -- it sounds stupid that they're doing that but without having that they can't accelerate depreciation and some airlines couldn't afford that. >> what would this technology allow? >> what it would allow is where the aircraft is at all times would be reported as well as the cabin altitude it would be critical to have. if we'd had that information on 370, we would have known if there was an in-flight breakup, we would kno...