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Strategic problem for them when the u.s. isn't present. this doesn't make sense for anyone, except for maybe rand paul, who is an ice lags im. >> there's a difference doing what you say you want to do versus actually doing it. i want to ask you about general mattis, secretary of defense. our reporting from my colleague is that he was opposed to doing this along with other advisers to the president. so what kind of a signal is this to general mattis? how do you execute a mission with such significance that you're so opposed to? >> two things. the relationship between the president and secretary...

Three categories. if they were to fight the subpoena, i think they would have a partial victory, but in the end, they would probably have to answer some questions. i'm sure that's what they're thinking about now. because when you volunteer, at least maybe you can constrain the questions. when you are subpoenaed, a subpoena is broad. your lawyer isn't present. this is a tough decision to make. >> do you believe you enjoy attorney/client privilege with the president? >> absolutely not. >> i only ask that, since -- have you had conversations with the president about this probe? >> i have made it ...

President, maybe they didn't. they are still in this phone call with this president and it's got to be so incredibly difficult. i do think it is interesting that you know what doesn't get politicized? these calls where a politician isn't present and when you have a politician -- you have this congress person in the car with the widow and it suddenly becomes politicized. people are so sick and tired of this stuff. obviously donald trump, even if he did say something that was offensive or didn't strike the right cord he certainly didn't mean to. it is clear what he was trying to say. he was talk...

Ultimate action no one is willing to take. there is no one saying we should be willing to go to war with russia over this incursion. and once you eliminate getting into an actual shooting conflict, that eliminates an awful lot of other negotiating postures that hold some kind of threat behind them because the ultimate threat isn't present and putin knows that. >> well, lawrence, there are lots of layers in response that can be brought to this short of military to military conflict. but it's disconcerting to me, for instance, that today the department of defense and chuck hagel issued word that...

Ultimate threat isn't present and putin knows that. >> well, lawrence, there are lots of layers in response that can be brought to this short of military to military conflict. but it's disconcerting to me, for instance, that today the department of defense and chuck hagel issued word that they're suspended military to military contact, training, exercises, all the kinds of things that we do to prevent -- really to promote deep communication between our militaries. many people will a34r5ud this as a strong step by the obama administration. i look at this as one of the crown jewels of what ought...