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But it didn't go to republicans because i think republicans have dropped the ball in terms of trying to establish deeper relationships with these communities, and the fact that someone might have speculation about voter suppression and so forth, it tends to carry a lot more weight -- >> the problem is that there's -- >> -- no credibility. >> the problem with this isn't speculation. we have admissions by governor crist. he has -- there's no reason for him to lie about the fact that the republican party in florida actually did this so that democrats could lose, and then on top of it really targe...

I don't think it had anything do with voter suppression and all that kind of stuff. that three points didn't go to republicans because republicans don't -- >> jont, judith to that, because i hear it. >> let me continue to respond. you have had a lot of intro -- >> there's more coming. >> the fact is i think that 3% it didn't go to republicans and it didn't go to the president, but it didn't go to republicans because i think republicans have dropped the ball in terms of trying to establish deeper relationships with these communities, and the fact that someone might have speculation about voter ...

>> well, i could say that, you know, i have done some of those things. i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged them and i have touched their leg. without intent of sexual contact. >> the entire interview can be seen on "rock center" with brian williams tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific and 9:00 p.m. central. let's bring back mike papantonio. mike, is jerry sandusky hurting himself by doing an interview like this? >> it's the only thing he can do. he's not going to take the stand, anyway, ed, when it comes down to it, so he has nothing to lose. look...

Himself by doing an interview like this? >> it's the only thing he can do. he's not going to take the stand, anyway, ed, when it comes down to it, so he has nothing to lose. looking at 400 years. costas was smart going back to the essence of where this all started and that's the grand jury report. this isn't speculation, ed. these are grand jurors who heard testimony. they had whatever physical evidence there was which was probably very, very little at best. the point is, they heard testimony. they had witnesses. so at this point, to believe him based on the fact that you've got all of this ti...

No-fly zone, correct? >> absolutely. >> as we try to take a look at what the next logical step here is we've sort of drawn a line in the stand, we will not put ground troops or ground forces there, nato has taken control of the mission. what is the other option if it is not to try to assist this group trying in some form or fashion to overthrow this dictator? >> one of the important things about the no-fly zone in the beginning, at least in my mind was the stockpile of chemical weapons. we know they had a biological weapon program. i was in 2004, i saw them myself. this isn't speculation, we k...