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To talk about those sanctions. been a lot of surprises in the news today. this counts as like a surprise in your lifetime of news, right? because this isn't about like action by the u.s. government that they want to keep quiet. this isn't stuff the u.s. government is doing in secret. these are public actions by the u.s. government designed to have a public effect while the president is refusing to verbally acknowledge he's doing these things. you're not keeping it secret. it's been a weird day but this is a weird dynamic. carol lee joins us next. your letting go thing. your sorry not sorry thi...

Of course it's chaotic. this isn't stuff coming out of a leak from inside the nsa. these are people talking to the press about the chaos inside. he's lost his national security advisor. he offers it to somebody else who turns him down. that's pretty unusual. it many a very important job. there is conflict between the cabinet and the white house. howie: do you think that the press portrayal of an administration in chaos is largely on target? >> yes. howie: you gave me a short answer. >> i'm leaving you have hanging with 17 seconds of dead air time. while see how you handle it.

Of course it's chaotic. this isn't stuff coming out of a leak from inside the nsa. these are people talking to the press about the chaos inside. he's lost his national security advisor. he offers it to somebody else who turns him down. that's pretty unusual. it many a very important job. there is conflict between the cabinet and the white house. howie: do you think that the press portrayal of an administration in chaos is largely on target? >> yes. howie: you gave me a short answer. >> i'm leaving you have hanging with 17 seconds of dead air time. while see how you handle it.

So if you can find some of those behaviors that are really good signals, that's another great way to start identifying who you should be going after. >> i love this, john, because this isn't stuff you have to go out and research. you have all this data, they're your clients. you just have to take a minute to look through it. >> and you also have to be brave enough to say here's who we don't want to attract and i think that's the catch sometimes. >> les mccune says you have to fire the bottom quarter of your clients once a year. >> probably some truth to it. >> john, thanks for coming on the sh...

Than you having to go through one page after another and read fine print and ultimately be confused about what the privacy policy, which is today's state of play. so we're suing them because we believe they violated the wiretap act. let's take it a step further. we always believed that one of the reasons we ought to stop this corporate data mining is because the government was going to get it. and the government can get it very easily on top of the table and now we find that they're getting it under the table. and this is a vast data mining project unlike anything in the history of the world. ...