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Isn't tim succeeding in lowering the temperature. breaking apart the alliance of sanctions and president trump is being played? >> neither one of those two things are new. the laborers to russia has been going on in the ship to ship transfer is the only way to evade. i think we need to be becareful about - - [indiscernible]. the chinese would love for this to be a step-by-step process that drags out. i don't know if the president is being played. i think he's hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.the sanctions remain in place. i think they need to be more cautious about continuing to...

Beside him because to the degree they need him and like him and this is not a place that is going to reform any time soon because partities and congress's ability to write the rules governing itself are too strong to have any real accountability. >> to continue that point, anna, if you want to devil's advocate, someone looking at this in a different way, isn't tim right that you would look at this very differently if you're a democrat, if he were a republican, do we believe that over the course of the last many days when he has been reflective, being with his family, he did not learn from his ...

Conservatives that are having that conversation, but isn't tim right that essentially this is about advancing policies that they don't want to have questioned. >> it's absolutely about advancing policies. one of the things that's really twisted in this particular case is that there's no one that i can think of who does not want the killers in this case, the alleged killers, to be punished. >> it's an awful crime. >> and punished to the full extent of the law. >> exactly. >> i'm opposed to the death penalty, but if these guys are convicted, i don't ever want them let out of prison. >> indeed. >...