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It's kellogg saying it's naivety that everyone wants peace. the reason why it's not neville chamberlain, chris, is neville chamberlain was against a much stronger hitler. obama is caving. >> he didn't have an army. >> obama is caving in from a position of strength. >> let me ask you this. i want to get to gene. the implication of the debate with netanyahu and conservatives in this country, hawks in this country if you will, is there's a third option. that it isn't war. we're not going to have to blow them apart, use bunker busters or help the israelis. there's another option. we can make a tou...

Czechoslovakia. is it? >> i'll go back further. pre-world war ii. it's kellogg saying it's naivety that everyone wants peace. the reason why it's not neville chamberlain, chris is neville chamberlain was against a much stronger hitler. obama is caving. >> he didn't have an army. >> obama is caving in from a position of strength. >> let me ask you this. i want to get to gene. the implication of the debate with netanyahu and conservatives in this country, hawks in this country if you will is there's a third option. that it isn't war. we're not going to have to blow them apart, use bunker busters...

He's an ally of iran. and he's made mischief. >> here's what's so crazy to me. in the 12 years of war in which we have engaged. we've had full scale ground invasions in two countries. we lost over 6600 american men and women in uniform, not counting the private contractor workers. there's a number -- then there's a number of iraqi and afghan dead living had we not bombed. we launched an all out air war in libya, and let's not forget we delivered drone strikes in yemen, pakistan and somalia. every bit of polling, shows americans are just sick and tired of war. people now have default skepticism...

It's who isn't being heard from. and it's who isn't being heard from for the very same reasons in a matt's talking about. it's assumed they're knee jerk. these are people who are thoughtful, critical, curious, the other thing to bear in mind here, i think, is that, you know, the discussion of the debate itself is problematic. it's very bracing to see a chief international correspondent of cnn. christian amanpour this weekend talked about the vote bug. this is not a disease, this is democracy in action and we should be celebrating. >> there is a split, right now between the citizenry and the na...

Wasn't really a series of erroneous judgments in iraq, it was an erroneous judgment on how to think about the world. >> it's to say that, you know, to think that we're making these decisions by having a detailed look at the military balance of power or the specifics of the internal dynamics of these countries is an illusion. it seemed to me, you know, i was a college student at the time of the iraq war debate. a lot of the people who struck me as serious, you know, we're all for it, i was the kind of person who would be in favor of this kind of war, not the kind of person who was associate wit...