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>> you very politely call it mystique. i might call it arrogance that she doesn't actually come on shows like yours or mine and take questions from journalibilities but yes, you are right. that is a revealing conversation that john told us about and i think it's revealing because it is a reminder that sinema, even in private, even when surrounded by fund raise -- you know -- you know, deep-pocketed donors, hollywood celebrities, sticks to her guns on the filibuster which is why a lot of progressives see her as a bigger obstacle, a bigger thorn in the side of the white house agenda, democratic ...

Example. >> you yourself are a businessman who has interacted with a lot of these top tech figures over the years. if i'm not mistaken you have interacted with zuckerberg. what is it about them that's gotten them to this point? is it arrogance? >> these companies, whether it's facebook, twitter, google, they've been remarkably successful. i applaud their success. they've created a lot of good, the value of social media has a lot of positives. but i do think at times we get caught in our bubbles. i think some of the folks out in the valley get caught on the tech bubble and all they see is the u...

>> kimberly: former dnc chair donna brazile is making the rounds. you can catch her tonight on tucker carlson at 8:00 p.m. eastern. and with dana. >> dana: no. maybe next week. >> kimberly: she's going to be on with you. perhaps we can get to the bottom of why she's been backtracking on her own claims of the 2016 primary was rigged. in hillary clinton's favor. >> i did not say the process was rigged. i said i want to find out. >> but you said proof of it being rigged. >> no, i've got a little st. anthony here. i said i would get to the bottom of whether or not hillary's team had rigged the par...

Decided to meet with him anyway. it sort of shows you in this time during the transition, michael flynn wasn't too concerned about what this interaction might mean. he was going to be national security adviser, he didn't think he was doing anything wrong, and the fact that he didn't bother even telling people about it shows he probably didn't think much about it at all. so this is an example of michael flynn being very careless and really sort of, you know, not only just ignoring the warnings from transition officials but ignoring common sense about what these interactions would mean if they w...

>> one of the stunning detail jackie never told "rolling stone" the real name of drew and jackie stopped cooperating. and the magazine published the story anyway. >> it's unbelievable that it didn't stop at the point where they cooperate talk tokooptcooperate cooperate talk to any of the people. astonishing any editor would let help get for that point. i did a profile a long time ago and they not only wanted my coat, they wanted my tapes. if you're listening i want my tapes back. but seriously, nobody would head this go on. this is astonishing in it arrogance. >> nobody is punished. and again ...