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Of these russian meetings out. like when they decided to do the donald trump e-mails. >> yes. >> get it all out, because when you let it drip, it looks even worse. >> it absolutely does. and that's what mueller is looking at. >> interesting. it's hard to keep track of all of that. but i appreciate you trying. >> thanks, chuck. >> thanks for coming on. coming up next hour, there's a special investigative report. could president trump use pardons to end the prosecution of all crimes related to russia's election meddling? the answer could surprise you. i can't give it away here. you've got to w...

Much attention. i don't think that at all. i think they would like not to be in the situation and i quite agree with david. the fundamental essence of crisis communication is figure out where the story's going and get there first. don't let it drip out. the fact is they violated those rules and i think they violated them because they weren't being honest with each other about where this was all going. >> thanks very much. you can see a new episode of the "ax files" tonight at 10:00. up next, president trump treated to a show pomp and circumstance in france this morning. plus a very, very lengt...

As much attention. i don't think that at all. i think they would, like not to be in the situation. i quite agree with david you. know, fundamental essence of crisis communications is figure where the story is going. get there first. don't let it drip out. and the fact is they violated those rules. and i think they violated them, because they weren't being honest with each other. about where this was all going. >> david axelrod, david gergen. new episode, ax files with john lewis tonight at 10:00. up next, donald trump treated to pomp and circumstance in paris this morning. why that might just ...

Australia. he wanted kocomey to pursue the leakers. comey tried to explain that leak investigations are difficult to do because often law enforcement ends up having to threatenen to jail journalist. the president responded he should throw the journalists in jail. >> i'm not vised at this someone close to comey who does not like the president and you have seen a lot of people leaking things every single day and just letting it drip and drip and drip. and the best part is we don't have to worry about getting caught. >> what about the substance of the information? >> i'll say this. i don't know i...

So many of them lined up. do you think anybody's got netting through? >> i don't know, stephanie, but couldn't have pick add better week. no shart 567 of information. all getting through but all pretty bruised. a few proverbial black eyes but all manage to survive. i'd like to see those ethics reports and get all the information in so that they can be completely vetted, because the worst thing is, if it drip, drip drips, gets confirmed and then a report may, a bunch of hearings and get a lot of distractions. if we're going to do it, let's get it done. >> and without seeing ethic reports and ne...