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Everyone on your way out because you don't know who you meet on your way down. >> that's right. i remember when i was a judge that my name would be on the wheel and a then you get the random assignment at the wheel just stopped at that name. this is an example. i have to tell you this. i truly believe that a federal judge, even though whether he was fixed to handle those cases are not, is going to recognize that he's above all of this other stuff. he's going to dig deep into who he is and make a decision based upon that. >> dana: i feel like judges must have a camaraderie sort of like press se...

Point. let's take a step down that road for a second. what you want now is for this guy to tell you how they got out, who helped them how they planned it et. cetera. what can you do in prosecuting your case to help get those answers? >> well, there's certainly no type of plea bargain, i think, that we can put out there. as i said he has his life without parole sentence. he has charges here in clinton county he has potential charges in franklin county relative to the burglaries. it may be a situation where we may made the inquiries of david sweat. we learned the information he provides us which...

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It et that will allow me to vote on that decline? once you made that basket for me, are you telling him i made dylan a basket of crap that he requested or is there a second implications throughout the too big to fail banking system? >> this will be resolved by the court. it's interesting. goldman's defense that this was pervasive deserves to be unpacked. it may be legally legal but if it was pervasive, wall street evolved over a couple of decades to serving their client to really taking huge bets. we can talk about whether that makes sense or not. one thing we know is taking huge bets when you...