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Going to talk until we surrender. this morning, "the wall street journal" says, we, we don't care how long this lasts because we're winning. this isn't some damn game. >> it's not some damn game. bob if you care about all of these programs, women and children, why wouldn't you pass these republican bills that have come out of the house so these programs are funded? >> 17 times. 17 times the government has closed down because they didn't do a continuing resolution. never once, never once, did they try to hold it hostage to a major piece of legislation. the fact that the republicans -- >> you do...

Until we surrender. and then this morning i get the "wall street journal" out and it says, we don't care how long this lasts because we're winning. this isn't some damn game! >> it's not some damn game. so bob, if you care about all of these programs, women and children, why wouldn't you passw these republican bills that have come out of the house so that these programs are funded? >> 17 times, 17 times the government has closed downause because of the continuing resolution. neveonr once, never once did thd try to hold it hostage to a major piece of legislation. the republicans have -- >> do y...

This out. from boehner's standpoint, what is going on there? >> i have to disagree with norm. it is a small group. if you go back to the beginning of the last congress and look at the role calls, it is 40, 50, 60 house republicans which is not the majority of the republican conference. it is holding it hostage. what they have done is they have kept baner from getting 218 votes. when you can't get 218 votes, you lost the pouwer of the majority, so you shut things down or you go across the hall and talk to nancy pelosi and the bill becomes less republican. he's chosen, i think to preserve his sp...

Do and yet -- and the president now will have to expend political capital to explain it and make his case. yet if the republicans hold it hostage, they have a lot more to lose, don't they? >> they probably do. the problem right now is that the two sides are in completely different universes on how to move forward. the white house doesn't want to negotiate on the debt ceiling and republicans say we need to cut spending equal to the level that the debt ceiling would be raised. how this gets resolved is completely -- nobody has any idea right now and there's only a few more weeks before we hit th...

Restrained. chemical agents must be deployed into your cell. >> and only two days since the incident in the rec yard. >> give him another one. >> today he's acting out yet again. leaving prison staff no choice but to keep him in a 72-hour medical observation cell. >> we had to take him out of his cell. took him down. go ahead strip down. this morning when we approached his cell, we were going to take inmate kevin blanco to the shower, about 10:00. we opened the food port. he stuck his arm out of the food port and held it hostage until he said, ortiz go get your squad i'm not coming out until y...