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But we have to be at the given vard and try to start this move. susan and i have had this debate for two years now. one of the difficult thing that we fate face is how -- from disagreement to the conclusion that if you hold this position be you must be a bad person. so there's disagreement, but if you hold this view, it indication that something is wrong with your character, right, you can't hold the position around women that you hold and keep me from concluding something about you. so in your book what do you say -- what can we do to stop the move from the disagreement to the adjudgement of ...

The president involving a possible payout to a former play boy play mate. a lot there, what's the big take away from that? >> the big take away is michael cohen showing willing tons break with the president. michael cohen did say that he would be willing to take a bullet for this president and now he's indicating, showing his willingness to cooperate with special counsel robert mueller in this ongoing investigation into ties between trump's campaign and russian officials. it's just another example of mike -- i think it's another example of michael cohen showing willingness to cooperate and no ...

Standards of today, $2 billion is a big loss but not huge a deal for a bank jpmorgan's size. it made $4 billion in the profit in the quarter despite losing 2 billion on london trades. there is sense of unease. things shouldn't be going on like this. three years after the panic we're still having a big prestigious bank losing 2 billion on a few trades. shouldn't be happening. sense of unease. martha: you mentioned regulations and this might spur more regulations. isn't it indication the ones in place since 2008 are not working? >> that is good question. in july of this year the volcker rule is ...