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That's why there are such straight channels of communication set up, about what they can talk about or even be together. i find it entirely inappropriate. >> i want it play for you about what the president says about jeff sessions' recusal, which is the source of much of his ire. sessions can't oversea presumely manipulate, control, direct, his campaign. here is him expressing his frustration last week. take a listen. >> well, sessions should have never recused himself. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked someone else. >>...

New reports this morning that the looking into ways to ut robert mueller's investigation. president trump already hinted in a "new york times" interview that he's holding some kind of damaging information on mueller and his potential conflict of interests. joining us now to discuss all of this is republican congressman of new york. >> it's hot and steamy. figureatively and literally. great to have you here. so why do you think president trump's legal team is looking into robert mueller's legal team background and political leanings? >> i would say this was fairly standard legal practice, if yo...

Is it just part of the back-and-forth of debate? are we getting too worked up over all of it. >> i think it's a symptom of a larger problem which is that folks feel frustration that the political discourse is not addressing the real needs. there are not enough public debates between candidates for political office. >> i so agree with that. that's exactly right. i have fought for it in my own races in the past. where i'm from in florida, the new chair of the democratic party has promised to encourage debate between candidates including in primaries. i think that's the direction we have to go. t...

Be having at all. is it just part of the back-and-forth of debate? are we getting too worked up over all of it. >> i think it's a symptom of a larger problem which is that folks feel frustration that the political discourse is not addressing the real needs. there are not enough public debates between candidates for political office. >> i so agree with that. that's exactly right. i have fought for it in my own races in the past. where i'm from in florida, the new chair of the democratic party has promised to encourage debate between candidates including in primaries. i think that's the directio...

Is it just part of the back-and-forth of debate? are we getting too worked up over all of it. >> i think it's a symptom of a larger problem which is that folks feel frustration that the political discourse is not addressing the real needs. there are not enough public debates between candidates for political office. >> i so agree with that. that's exactly right. i have fought for it in my own races in the past. where i'm from in florida, the new chair of the democratic party has promised to encourage debate between candidates including in primaries. i think that's the direction we have to go. t...