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Remember this time earlier this year that he was accused of a pay to play scheme. it was such a bogus story that the democrats were even defending him on that. so this idea that republicans are somehow being cavalier or aren't concerned about people's health is a total lie and if, in fact, a lot of republicans like arizona governor ducey has faced a lot of criticism for being too harsh on things like lockdowns and restaurants. it's not true with the white house is saying in terms of trying to force republicans into this anti-vax box and act like they are the saviors of the country by now manda...

Remember this time earlier this year that he was accused of a pay to play scheme. it was such a bogus story that the democrats were even defending him on that. so this idea that republicans are somehow being cavalier or aren't concerned about people's health is a total lie and if, in fact, a lot of republicans like arizona governor ducey has faced a lot of criticism for being too harsh on things like lockdowns and restaurants. it's not true with the white house is saying in terms of trying to force republicans into this anti-vax box and act like they are the saviors of the country by now manda...

Virus that occasionally infects someone and then explodes. then he said, you know, now you give it that advantage. now it goes out into the world. now it has this ability to attach to human cells. you know what it does? it gets better at it. it gets more used to doing it. it mutates. and this next variant could be worse, which is quite disturbing. so that was a really good interview and really adds more evidence to the lab. >> martha: i wish that it is very unnerving. everybody wants to move beyond this. people for the most part are vaccinated. we just heard the president's pitch for people to...

It goes back to the last comment, where those people who are vaccinated were spreading it to others, but those people who are vaccinated were not getting sick because their immune system was primed. that's kind of the key takeaway. another subtle point here that i think is really poworth pointin out, we should celebrate the cdc. they've been taking a lot of heat for seemingly going in jarringly different directions, but they're doing their job. they follow the data. the data from provincetown told them, wait a minute, we thought it wasn't transmissible from vaccinated people to other vaccinate...

Multiply. when it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road. so, unvaccinated people are potential variant factories. and so the way to avoid that, of course, is to get vaccinated. >> are you concerned at all, worried about the fourth of july becoming a superspreader for some parts of the country? >> i think here and there, there are undoubtedly going to be small outbreaks among unvaccinated people that gather together outside. there will also be gatherings inside, and some of them really quite large. and, in those kinds of circumstance...