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Today, barack obama had to call in bill clinton to try to bail him out on the health care law. they were in new york together because the law is so unpopular. it is taking one hit after another. the more we talk about it, the more the american people are disgusted because the more they learn about it. now, one of the things is you said no one read the law. you know, i actually read the entire bill before it was voted on which is why i was so much of an opponent -- >> i read the bill, i read statutes my whole life before i came to tv. and a i thought it was incomprehensible. >> because so many ...

$50,000 every year for ten years to replace the amount of service that was being cut. we have a limitation in our capacity to do that. because at least the church -- >> your capacity is the same as our capacity. i mean, it is the same people. >> it is the same people, but i believe that when you look at where -- and this comes out of our teaching in -- within our church tradition. is that justice comes before charity. and that everyone has a right to eat, to realize their human dignity. and therefore, there is in our position, a government responsibility to ensure everyone's capacity to eat. w...

Country, you have to spend money. >> juan, after a very severe recession in the early '80s, there was faith for the private sector to take over and growth, that's not been the case. e sbupt. i want to get to one last subject, that was the other part of the president's message, the phony scandals. we heard it from the president and heard it a little more subtly from jack lew. do you think he can make benghazi, snooping and spying on reporters go away? >> it may help with the base to belittle these cases as phony. a lot of his supporters on the left and on the journalistic left believe that abou...

To say they've been targeted as recently as two weeks ago. joining me now the attorneys representing some of the americans in our studio tonight. guys, welcome, both of you, to the show. thanks. >> thank you for having us. >> sean: jay, let me start with a time here.ç? lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct. that's when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period ...

Studio audience that are going to say they've been targeted as recently as two weeks ago. joining me now the attorneys representing some of the americans in our studio tonight. guys, welcome, both of you, to the show. thanks. >> thank you for having us. >> sean: jay, let me start with a time here.ç? lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct. that's when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and a...