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They want the facts. they want to talk about it. >> bill: and they want a solution. >> they want to be involved in the discussion. >> bill: it f. it's articulated a right way you are right. it's going to be demagogue all over the place. >> it has been for so many years. >> bill: let me ask you about jeffrey immelt ceo of general electric. head of the president's advisory council on economics. nbc far and away on television the most rabid supporter of barack obama in 2008. is this a payback here. >> hard to figure out what the payback would be. payback for approving the sale of g.e. assets univ...

Economic board. a report compares the economic team to a messy divorce. rich, i'll turn to you first. do you agree with this "new york times" arm? >> fascinating look and a lot of it has to do with personalities and larry summers was the head guy there and anyone who has seen "the social network" knows he's not the easiest personal. the way he treated the twins was outrageous, right? but a lot of those personalities, a lot of it was just an intellectual mistake. the only way they conceived of helping the economy was spending. with everything that's gone wrong, the main idea, they're scratching...

Eastern europe, the middle east and they pursued them by int vining in the u.s. election. cold fact. so trump is trying to sweep all of that away and say, oh, well, we can be best friends. at the same time, however, remember, that he is saying we should have a nuclear arms race, which doesn't seem to fit very well with an improved relationship. this is very much trump's personal opinion. >> is there an element of, you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. >> he has dismissed the solution that russia's influence has any control on his victory. is there anything, this is payback time and i owe...

Senate, which basically means the proposal the democrats came up with just a few days ago is more or less dead in the water. >> right. >> immigration may be a little bit difference, i think there will be more republicans willing to kind of come along. but in terms of addressing the big problems in the country, we're a prisoner to the process of the rules in the senate and that's unfortunately not going to change for good and bad and right now it's bad because we have big problems in this country we're facing and it doesn't seem like we can get anything done unless it basically is what the repu...