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Is that why would he plead guilty to relatively minor offense and why would mueller accept that? that's because you and i and phil and robert and everyone will be here for the next couple of months determining where the next shoe will drop. is it jared kushner? is it pence, who sort of has an interesting role right now, or is it donald trump? and that's the way that this has unfolded. but flynn has always been the center of it, because he got fired, because he had so many liabilities against him, and because he really had no other pathway forward as a father, as a person in debt, and as a pers...

Is it pence, who sort of has an interesting role right now, or is it donald trump? and that's the way that this has unfolded. but flynn has always been the center of it, because he got fired, because he had so many liabilities against him, and because he really had no other pathway forward as a father, as a person in debt, and as a person who knows a lot. and mueller basically is saving him at this stage. >> given what juliette just said flynn is cooperating. where does this investigation go now? who is vulnerable? >> where does it go? it goes ugly, don. let's put some time frames in place her...

Cohn, dina poul, ivanka, jared, folks like that. general kelly. but you know, again, i think -- lo look, i'm the biggest proponent of winners and losers ever but the problem is, donald trump is a singular figure. all presidents are. donald trump is more so. who his chief of staff is, who his communications director is, if you need any evidence of that, hope hicks is the communications director now. it means that it's essentially donald trump is the communications director. donald trump believes he is his best pollster, strategist, press person. the problem and david hits on it is donald trump ...

In there. he talks about a very senior official in the transition who knew about what the conversations he was having with the russian ambassador. mueller has been focused on those conversations, and he wants to know who told flynn to say what to the russian ambassador. we don't know who that very senior official is. is it jared kushner? is it pence? is it trump? so i think that's something we haven't talked about in a long time, and, remember, this logan act that's been on the books for centuries but has not actually been enforced much, but is basically are you conducting a foreign policy ind...

That's it. as national sdurt adviser r. it kushner, it pence, and it the president. i don't think he would have believed that reince priebus is someone who could have directed him. >> let me ask one more question. what rome -- >> i think sessions wasn't that involved because he was concentrating on the job that he wanted. there was talk of dhs and then the justice department. but let's not forget why we're here. i said this earlier. bob mueller has a job because the president of the united states was so concerned about