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Office. it is that simple. even if there may be agreement with some of the broader policy issues. >> is this one of the reasons you're retiring? >> it is a reason that i'm retiring. it is not the reason i'm retiring. i've had -- i've been in office now for 28 years between state and federal service. i run for office 13 times, 13-0, no sane person should run for office more than 13 times. bottom line is, i had a -- i just felt it was the right time for me to do other things, but, yes, this dysfunction, this chaos, this never-ending drama is frustrating. and to be candid, it predates donald trum...

Civil war, and it predates donald trump, but he has exploited it brilliantly and takes advantage of it, and the other thing that's involved here, and i'll let you ask another question and stop talking here in a second the this is very much about lying that one of the things we have seen even with the prime minister of canada in the last week is the compulsive or endemic lying by the president of the united states, and he says there is no collusion, and nothing here. we have from the record, and you can say this journalistically, as a fact whether you're on fox, cnn, msnbc, it doesn't matter. t...

Secret society. what are your thoughts, carrie? >> the doj is looking into whatever occurred between those two individuals. obviously these were two individuals that were text messages were between two people that was not intended for public consumption. you know, there will be an investigation regarding what the intent was. i don't think there's any reason to suspect that text messages between two individual people even though it was their government devices, that is no reason to impugn or taint the # 13,000 fbi agents and many more thousands of support and the rest of the department. but thi...

Mistakes some seven years ago. and if you ever got to know him, you wouldn't even suspect that he had those problems some seven years ago. >> we've got to go but you don't even have a consistent story. you told us you don't know what his mace taistakes were. you said he didn't do anger management, then he did. you don't know if his current wife knew about his previous fiancee's violent complaints and the injunction against him that the previous fiancee got. there is so much and you go on national television, cnn, all these other shows and you say to america, believe me, i can vouch for the man...

He had those problems some seven years ago. >> we've got to go but you don't even have a consistent story. you told us you don't know what his mace take istakes were. you said he didn't do anger management, then he did. you don't know if his current wife knew about his previous fiancee's violent complaints and the injunction against him that the previous fiancee got. there is so much and you go on national television, cnn, all these other shows and you say to america, believe me, i can vouch for the man who shot and killed trayvon martin because i, joe oliver, have a completely inexplicable an...