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Telepathic. as you know i read everything you write. this is what you say on the use of drones. the iraq war was initially popular before it took a disare a terous turn, and though a large majority of americans support the drone warfare program, it is far more skeptical of killings that target u.s. citizens. do you expect the use of drones to be perhaps scaled back if john brennan becomes director of the cia? >> i certainly don't think so, martin, because he's in many ways the architect of this program and has overseen the dramatic expansion -- >> so you don't think the more recent public scru...

Actually participating and the workforce is down, so you have all of the economic components of this constant situation of where there are these constant fiscal problems. having said that, one of the things that you're seeing in this particular debate and why i'm feeling better about this particular exchange is the sense that, look, when the policy outcome becomes greater than the political payoff, that's when you see bipartisan ship begin to emerge and i think what you're seeing from both sides is the policy outcome is becoming more important and you'll see it program that we'll move in that ...

Money they were promised even if they decide not to play in the program. >> reporter: right. martha: a huge punishing sentence for the program and you have to wonder what the victims response to all of this would be if only this heavy hand had come down on these individuals at a time it would have made a difference for these victims. they are clearly trying to fix the problem going forward with this. it is a stunning outcome. rick thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. martha: rick leventhal who has been watching this story throughout. it is an absolutely stunning outcome. there are two sets ...

The obama administration to get a deal so they can declare victory is so high i'm worried they will lose the substance of the deal in order to get the political spin. that wereys israel as well. if we effectively legitimize iran's uranium enrichment capability, we have given away and given iran a big leg up towards nuclear capability. shannon: why would we do that. >> i think the administration believes as do many europeans is that iran can be talked out of its nuclear weapons program. i don't think iran is ever going to be negotiated out of it program. they have shown that the last 10 years. ...

He has the see it, say it program. the vendor who identified the problem mentioned it. you showed it early. citizens taking responsibility, notifying police officers so they can respond, it's the success here. it's the lesson we ought to take. bomber incompetent? absolutely. the only way to identify and disrupt these attacks is by the community based efforts. >> bomber incompetent, to stick on that term, means bomber who left more evidence. >> sure. it would be one thing if, let's say the fertilizer was properly treated with fuel oil, then you still need a detonator to set it off. an m-88 is n...