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>> tucker: what's so interesting is that youu all have been having these debates longer than we have been in the united states. only trump got the debateun out in the open to the extent that it has been. it does seem like the consensus in europe is changing. i read a story today about even the left in europe is starting to think maybe borders are important. >> yeah. i mean, we have reached a point where, you know, amongst the general population, over 70% in most countries, people are saying, whoa, this is crazy. and, you know, tucker, it'sou not just terrorism. if you look at what's happened i...

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