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The government is now trying tos a certificate this brand new right to criminally prosecute people for publishing secret stuff. all sorts of different entities publish secret stuff all the time. what this is it is now a novel legal effort to punch a huge hole in the first amendment by labeling it spying, labeling it criminal espionage to publish secret stuff. in a country where we have a long proud journalistic history of journalistic entities publishing secret stuff. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." quick moment of host privilege. anyone who has followed me over the years knows that i am not a ...

Ourselves, our country and those working for our country. >> should the president have given his attorney general these broad seemingly unprecedented powers? >> i think that is up to the president to make those types of decisions, but certainly we need oversight of those issues. i do hope in the future the president continues to reach out to congress. >> more broadly, what do you think about barr's investigation? you know, there are people who say that this is essentially weaponizing the justice department on behalf of the president. >> there has been a lot of back and forth with the departmen...

Department of justice so far whether it was as the attorney general has termed it spying on campaigns, whether it is the mueller investigation, whatever it may happen to be. we do tend to be pushing and pulling our department of justice. >> what do you think? >> i do think if the fbi and other federal agencies were misused whether it was looking into campaign activities or otherwise, we do need to get to the bottom of that because we should not be using those federal agencies to go after political opponents. i think we do, for the american people, have to find out what went on there. but at so...

Down. that then could become for the democrats one more issue of obstruction of justice. it could be -- >> you see it playing out this way. we'll see what happens, but i take your -- >> -- to backfire. >> warning. two, though, is the fisa warrants being renewed by the three judges 90 days, you have to do a lot to get them. and it wasn't just those judges who say, yes, this is legitimate, we need to be doing our intel work -- bill barr might call it spying -- but our intel work to get to the bottom of american democracy under attack here. james baker, who is the former fbi general counsel at th...

But here with assange, they are but here with assange, they are trying to do it. trying to do it. and as a matter of law, this is and as a matter of law, this is not at all about julian assange not at all about julian assange and wikileaks doing what they and wikileaks doing what they did in the 2016 election. did in the 2016 election. this is not related to them this is not related to them working with russian working with russian intelligence material in 2016 to intelligence material in 2016 to try to help trump win the try to help trump win the election and to try to hurt election and hilla...