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Deal. now president trump talks of threatening to them but talking to them, getting negotiation, getting nuclear weapons out of their hands. what's the end goal? >> reporter: this is classic donald trump, notably on the foreign policy front. the negotiating tactic with kim jong-un, fire and fury interspersed with being in love. it is similar with the iranian regime. the president in that fox news interview taped it last week, prior to the tweets talking about warning of the end of iran and that of course sparking the foreign minister's fiery response. it is mixed messaging and back and forth. ...

The state of the union. all of that felt like okay, whatever, nancy, we're going somewhere else. then the president said we don't have a plan b. that tells you it was very frustrating for the president. now the white house is trying t strategy to end shutdown. vice president pence is talking to senators. part of the message i imagine is going to be hold the line. we need republicans not to be giving into democrats and we need money for the wall because there are conservatives all over the country who are worried the president might give away amnesty, a path towards citizenship or that he might...

Debate we're having about when it's okay to say the "f" word, one place you can never say the "f" word is federal court. >> but why would they? what would a scenario -- where would there be a scenario, the "f" word, why? >> when you don't have the facts of law on your side and representing russian oligarchs, you pull out every trick. and you undermine the judge, which is what they've done. they said she was impartial -- she was not impartial. they used the "f" word, "animal house" and so on. it's just bad lawyering. they have to appear before her tomorrow and the next day and so on. they've hu...

Hammer out a bipartisan solution that doesn't increase premiums 60% -- >> let it fail, and then we'll fix it strategy? >> yes, but remember, one of the things that obamacare promised and president obama himself that your average family health care premiums would go down $2,500 per household. it's gone up 60% since 2013 when this passed. >> so is the president getting what he said back in july of? let it fail, let the obamacare -- july of 2017, let it fail, let obamacare fail, and you'll see the democrats come to the tab table. is that happening? >> that's what i'm seeing happening. americans w...

Is it strategy? is it ptsd from 2016? >> why not do a little dance? kind of end zone celebration. >> or just pat yourself on the back that you ran on health care, policy at a time when a lot of people are debating whether or not policy gets through with all the tumult and all the sort of junk in the system that trump -- they ran on a policy message. was complicated, about preserving obamacare, and they won. >> they don't know who is in charge, which is part of the problem. as we see the battle for house speaker kind of coalesce and it looks like nancy pelosi will win out, but she's also going ...