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He didn t know what he was up to given that we know that the president was speaking to him and that there were updates from the day after to see where these investigations stood. laura, you know, one thing that s important on this and i know congressman heck was stirring t threading the needle that you don t need the president of the united states direct voice on this because it is clear what he did and this does put his direct voice on that and in terms of public opinion and in talking points of hearsay it could be very significant. it is. you don t need the direct evidence. it s very compelling and persuasive and i as a prosecutor if i was in a court of law would want that to really meet my burden of proof, but here s the thing, if the only reason i can t give you that direct testimony, erin, is because you are stonewalling and not allowing the people who have information perhaps john bolton or mick mulvaney or someone like gordon sondland then you can t tell me that i can t mee ....

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