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You know, there are a lot of experts who will tell you it's not really reasonable to expect private companies like twitter and facebook to stand up to an onslaught by a foreign intelligence agency. the russians will always be able to put bots on twitter and facebook. you have to make them pay a price, impose a cost on them. that hasn't been done by this president. >> let's listen to marco rubio. he is calling it warfare. >> it's not influence. it's not interference. it's warfare. this is information warfare. based on the russian doctrine of warfare, information warfare is a key part of it. my ...

Am scared to now mention that on the show because they're crazy for doing that. >> the fact that the americans feel that the reach of the north korean is that broad. i want to don in terms of how this happened. i think a lot of folks don't understand what goes on in north korea and cyber attacks and cyber farms or schools and training for young north koreans to learn the art of cyber warfare is something that happens inside north korea. can you tell us about the role that country plays in the new form of -- i'm not going to call it terrorism, or i should call it warfare. >> most think of north...