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She laid it right out there. >> you know, obama beat her in 2008. and one thing he did, he was more authentic, he was more relaxed. >> but did he ever get forced to say, i want to be president. >> we assume men want to be president, we call women ambitious, we don't call men. also, let's be fair. when you're running against bernie sanders, it's a little easier to be relaxed >> the heat's off. >> you might win by 50 points. >> heidi, that's it, the heat's office, even talking about coloring her hair, because we watch these guy's hair turn white. it happens. >> it's not just the heat's off, it's...

Teared up it wasn't scripted. it was something that she -- she was challenged how hard is this and she said it's tough. >> what about voting for the iraq war back in 2002? how is that going to impact you? especially given what we've seen happen in iraq. >> i don't think she's being blamed for that. she's going to have more trouble about talking about what she really accomplished. those will be the kinds of questions. eliz beth warren challenging her on that and we've heard a bit from a couple people off on the side but i don't think that will be central. >> david gergen always great to have yo...

But just all the organizations, the significant organizations have representation including the national council of negro women that dr. heidt was representing today. >> the thing everyone talked about today was the phenomenal nature of it. it wasn't scripted. there was no teleprompter. it somehow came out when mahalia jackson yelled tell them about the dream. anyone can yell tell them about the dream. but your father did something. did he ever try to explain to you how it came? >> quite frankly, if you look at iteratio iterations, he did one in 1960 to '61. another in detroit. so he put them ...

I saw it from the other side. my neck just slink ed and just went all the way in and, like -- right when i got hit, everything went blank. >> still amazing to hear him tell it. joined by dorsey levens. your first interview, i believe, since the lawsuit was filed. thanks for joining us. us a know, we've been staying on top of this topic for some time and i'm very interested in it. i think millions of people probably watched what happened to ellis hobbs that time he subsequently need and operation to stabilize his neck. was it hard getting him to open like that? >> not at all. we sat down. it wa...

Helmet. when he hit mine, had compressed my neck down worse. when you see it on an angle on the initial camera, okay, he got hit. when they flipped it around and i saw it from the other side. my neck just slinkied and just went all the way in and, like -- right when i got hit, everything went blank. >> still amazing to hear him tell it. joined by dorsey levens. your first interview, i believe, since the lawsuit was filed. thanks for joining us. as you know, we've been staying on top of this topic for some time, and i'm very interested in it. i think millions of people probably watched what hap...