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Stim tim bills. and this is a presidency that had a lot of trouble because he didn't have the necessary executive experience to understand how it workings. he can't blame the republicans because he can't get it through the democratic congress. he hasn't had a budget that got a vote. >> gretchin: i was surprised by that comment, governor. the whole campaign was hope and change and how he would be a transformational president and do it low than anyone had before quite frankly that is why people voted for him. some republicans voted for him and independents did because they wanted to believe that...

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Said. we agree when you brain wash your people that you are a god. he has to push u push back and say maybe we'll not. i agree with you. i think this is what is happening at this point until there is an official statement that it will not happen. i think as the president says, we will see. >> melissa: there are so many things that are predictable and various people say the same thing and it is like a shake peerian tragedy. and it is a rush to offer concessions and blinded by optimism, and it seems like there are a couple of things that the administration is doing differently. i had lunch with ...

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>> steve, incentives matter. if it workings why not stick with it? >> in the real work you can rewrite the manuals and a better way to reform the whole unemployment insurance program. it is a 41 k . they put it aside . they have determined what benefits they get. positive reforms can be done. i just think this invites more government and i don't want more government in the workplace. >> most of us don't. rich, you are always saying it is states are the petree dishes to experiment with the ideas. why not go along and see how it works? >> the legal land mines and plus this. the true problem real...