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>> but that should not have been an excuse, just to be clear. >> well, it just seems to me that it has to be one or two things. either incompetence or intentional conduct. >> i agree. it's either sheer incompetence, intentionality or something perhaps in between. >> so which do you think it is? >> we've got so many different people here. first of all, it wouldn't be fair to lump everybody into one because there are different actorsry coming in at different times. some people have more touches of this than others. i think it's fair for people to sit there and look at all of these 17 events and ...

>> so are you recommending -- >> absolutely. >> if i propose legislation, would you support that? >> absolutely. in fact, there's legislation senator lee has sponsored several members have co-sponsored. the house has passed this unanimously. >> and you would support it? >> absolutely,th 100%. >> so it was recently reported that the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, asked ukrainians to help search for dirt of the -- of the political rivals of the president. in exchange for the help, giuliani offered to help fix criminal cases against them at doj. giuliani and his associates, two of ...