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President is potentially violating these promises that he made when he was running for president and even what he's said since then. the budget director was trying to say, look, the president has become convinced it may seem as though these people have health care coverage but they are not getting care. i do think sam touched on this briefly earlier. for these people, if they lose their coverage, they are likely to not have coverage or care. and so the argument starts to run a little bit in circles. i think that's why you're starting to see the increasing frustration on the hill. i still think...

The house, the republican -- their first order of business was to self-enrich themselves, in a way so i do think sam is right. we -- the democrats can't just do "trump is unfit." we saw that where led in the election. i think you need connect the rigged system and the fact that you have a lot of billionaires about to come forward without their disclosing their financial reports and donald trump is conflict of interest walking so i think you need to do the politics but connect it to the issues as they try to roll back the civilizing reforms of our time. >> and if it walks like a duck and quacks...

About politics. it has to be about the politics of health care. >> and jobs. >> politics about jobs, social security, about the epa, about the fda, about the gutting of regulations, the democrats have to start talking about politics and policy. it's going to be fine to talk about donald trump as -- all his ethical lapses but the bottom line is they'll have to start selling -- >> but katrina, isn't the connective tissue is that the criticism of a rigged system or one where bankers make all decision is the politics? >> is the politics and i think you can drive that out into the country coming of...