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People. >> anthony: that's the only way. >> rene: it's good. >> anthony: that's -- this is the only solution for this. >> rene: yeah. >> anthony: my way of thinking, it's our only hope is to -- our way out of this. >> rene: yes. >> anthony: it's going to take some time. but it's really the only way, this sort of singaporean model where everybody's so mixed up that you really don't know who to hate because everybody's so hopelessly intertwined, but we're a long way from that.

Know, people mention the bowie, iggy pop, berlin period and a lot of other great work. what about edm? do you share the blame? >> irmin: no. >> anthony: is it good or bad? >> irmin: it's good. >> anthony: it's a positive thing. >> irmin: it's positive. >> anthony: electronic dance is. >> irmin: yes, sure. i mean, you can't -- anywhere you can't actually classify any style or any kind of music as good or bad. it's not bad. >> anthony: but it excludes the musicians. traditionally is it the opposite of what music should be? is it all okay? >> irmin: i have no idea what music should be because whe...

Gambling but, uh -- i see some money changing hands. he can do it, i can do it, damn it. ♪ >> anthony: if you're looking for sushi or kaiseki or ramen you will, of course, find them in okinawa. but what you need to know, what you must know, is that in okinawa pork is king. okay, they got tofu too. here at urizun they do specifically okinawan food, the okinawan way. >> kenny: hai, arigatou. this is the tofuyo, which -- >> anthony: okay. >> kenny: you just eat a little at a time. >> anthony: is that that strong? >> kenny: it is a little strong, yeah. it has, like, a cheese type of texture. >> ...

This is a charming ethiopian institution called a tej bet. they serve one thing, and only one thing -- tej, an alcoholic beverage made from fermented barley and honey. it's not highly alcoholic though, right? you gotta pretty much hammer back a lot of this stuff to get a buzz. >> marcus: yeah. >> anthony: so basically the people around here who've got a load on, they've been working on this for a long time. >> marcus: all day. this is a working class. this is where the workers go. >> anthony: it's a cheap buzz. >> marcus: it's a cheap buzz. cheers. and you just knock it back. >> anthony: all r...

Perfect pasta. very happy with that >> mary: good. i know you've been looking forward to it. i'm glad it's good. palermo's an expensive city for some things because the consumer is paying -- >> anthony: more. >> mary: more so that the store can afford to pay its extortion money. the big change that has happened is that up until the mid '80s, the late '80s, there were a great many sicilians who thought if they were honest and didn't have anything to do with the mafia, they could live without being affected by the mafia. apparently, 80% of the businesses in palermo, and 70% in the rest of italy ...