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At the very least? >> yeah. >> i think it would be appropriate for the president of the heritage foundation, former senator demint, to reject that part of this person's background and renounce that. if they're going to continue to stand by that report, they should at least renounce that thinking. it's the right thing to do. you know these intraright disputes better than i do. heritage is losing this, getting their butt kicked. >> they are. i thought it was a mistake when they brought jim demint in last november. he's not that well liked. >> to be fair, this is the same person who did the study...

>> there's some extent there are state payers here but a lot of this employment is happening still with federal payers. the most important thing is when you raise wages, create more stability, the government actually can save money in terms of lower employee turnover and higher productivity and we all benefit from the multiplier effect of a stronger middle class. >> the question faced by government, should we employ more people or pay people more and we had the reverse with the budget cuts have been unable to control per employee expenditure and cutting head counts. the city of los angeles has...

Right now in american higher education in a vicious cycle, higher tuition, more debt. >> right. that's exactly it. if there wasn't financing available, colleges wouldn't be able to raise the cost of tuition, particularly private colleges. because there is financing available and such an emphasis placed an attending school, colleges can raise tuition as much as they want and far out-paces inflation and always a lender who is willing to charge them an exorbitant rate. once these kids graduate and get good paying jobs they are unable to refinance that high debt into something more sustainable and...

>> exactly. and budget cuts we've already seen put in place since the republicans won over the house not as much as they've wanted but got an affair amount, if they were not there, we would probably have a percentage lower unemployment. that's a big big deal. so, the president's in texas today, one part of the texas story is wage growth, the other part is changing demographics. a lot of that has to do with immigration. i think the immigration story in washington is fascinating. here's why. it's the most important thing happening in washington right now, by far. it has the biggest ramifications...

♪ >> all right. everyone, thanks for staying with us on this special sunday prime time edition of "the five." the president made his first appearance on "meet the press" in three years this morning and was asked this. >> so what is your single priority of the second term. what's the equivalent to health care? >> well, there are a couple of things we need to get done. i've said that fixing our broken immigration system is a top priority. i will introduce legislation to get that done and stabilize the economy and make sure it's growing, part that have is deficit reduction. >> that's tax and sp...